# 226. Why PTO Doesn't Fix Burnout (And What Does) with ShannonElaine John

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Podcast: [The Traveling Therapist Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-traveling-therapist-podcast-4676504)
Published: 2026-07-15T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

If you've ever come back from a vacation still running on empty, you already understand why PTO doesn't fix burnout on its own. In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I sit down with ShannonElaine John, a licensed therapist and EMDR specialist who spent over a decade in the travel industry before founding Travel To Retreat, a travel advisory built specifically for burned-out healthcare and service professionals. ShannonElaine unpacks the guilt and savior complex that keep so many...

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