# Untangling Judaism from Zionism: Rabbi Cat Zavis on Jewish Moral Courage

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Podcast: [The Thin Veil with Ezra Lipp](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-thin-veil-with-ezra-lipp-7793355)
Published: 2026-06-24T14:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2956

## Resource

Rabbi Cat Zavis is a spiritual leader, activist, attorney, and rabbi at Beyt Tikkun — an anti-Zionist Jewish congregation in the Bay Area. In this episode, we explore the process of untangling Judaism from Zionism — and what it means to reconstruct Jewish moral and spiritual life in the aftermath of deep political and theological rupture. We discuss her personal journey through social justice work, Jewish education, Palestinian solidarity organizing, and rabbinic leadership, as well as the broader tensions inside contemporary Jewish life. Topics include: - childhood moral formation and empathy - confronting Palestine within Jewish institutions - "liberal Zionism" and its limits - fear, propaganda, and institutional pressure - Jewish identity, empire, and political theology - moral courage, repair, and spiritual reconstruction BEYT TIKKUN SYNAGOGUE https://beyttikkun.org/ ⭐️PLEASE LEAVE A RATING AND REVIEW OF THE SHOW ❤️ SUPPORT THE SHOW EZRA LIPP / THIN VEIL ON PATREON 🇵🇸GET INVOLVED JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE CONNECTING GAZA 🎙 LISTEN / WATCH / FOLLOW THE THIN VEIL THE THIN VEIL ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS THE THIN VEIL ON YOUTUBE THE THIN VEIL ON INSTAGRAM ✍️REACH OUT / SEND FEEDBACK THETHINVEILPOD@GMAIL.COM 👋 FOLLOW EZRA EZRA ON INSTAGRAM EZRA ON FACEBOOK EZRA'S WEBSITE EZRA ON YOUTUBE 🎵 THEME MUSIC BY MAGIC IN THE OTHER MAGIC IN THE OTHER WEBSITE MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON INSTAGRAM MAGIC IN THE OTHER ON YOUTUBE ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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