# Pilgrimage Between the Sacred and the Secular — with Colby Dickinson

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Podcast: [The Theology Mill](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-theology-mill-5741564)
Published: 2026-06-26T03:33:30+00:00
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In this episode, Zech talks with Colby Dickinson about his many pilgrim journeys in the city of Rome. Together they ask: how does religious identity—or lack thereof—shape one’s experience of places with historically thick spiritual meaning? What might it look like to encounter something beyond ourselves when our faith wanes more than it waxes? Finally, can pilgrimage still be meaningful when so often it seems caught up in the snares of a consumer mentality? Book link: https://wipfandstock.com/9798385221042/sacred-pilgrim-secular-pilgrim/ Newsletter: Subscribe to our podcast newsletter and get ***40% OFF*** any Wipf and Stock book: http://eepurl.com/cMB8ML . (Be sure to check the box next to “Podcast Updates: The Theology Mill” before hitting Subscribe.)

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