# 452: ‘A Scam Held Together With Patriotism and Golden Paint’, With Quinn Nelson

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Podcast: [The Talk Show With John Gruber](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber-388809)
Published: 2026-07-24T01:59:06+00:00
Episode link: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2026/07/23/ep-452
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Duration seconds: 9885

## Resource

Quinn Nelson returns to the show to discuss OpenAI’s ChatGPT/Codex “native” app migration fiasco, Siri AI in Apple’s OS 27 betas, MacOS 27 Golden Gate, and the hottest new cell phone of the year, the Trump T1.

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