# 447: ‘A Sociopathic Father’, With Adam Lisagor

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Podcast: [The Talk Show With John Gruber](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber-388809)
Published: 2026-05-16T01:06:47+00:00
Episode link: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2026/05/15/ep-447
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Duration seconds: 8113

## Resource

Adam Lisagor returns to the show to talk about Hovercraft, his new virtual presentation camera app for Mac, and how he's developing it with AI coding tools. Also, delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.

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