# 426: ‘The Cutting Edge Latest Supermodel’, With David Smith

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Podcast: [The Talk Show With John Gruber](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber-388809)
Published: 2025-06-30T22:47:17+00:00
Episode link: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2025/06/30/ep-426
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Duration seconds: 7935

## Resource

Special guest David Smith returns to the show for a developer's perspective look at WWDC 2025.

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