# Architecting Atmosphere & the Luminous Darkness of Sound: A Conversation with Matthijs Kouw

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Podcast: [The Sum of All Wisdom](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-sum-of-all-wisdom-7678282)
Published: 2026-05-27T04:01:00+00:00
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“How would you like to spend some time with music that can reconfigure what you think about yourself, about music, and about space and time?” In this episode of The Sum of All Wisdom , Scott reconnects with Dutch experimental composer and sound artist Matthijs Kouw for a deep conversation about sound, space, philosophy, and the spiritual possibilities of composing, experiencing, and listening to music. Together, they explore what “experimental music” really means—not as a genre, but as a position: an openness to uncertainty, emergence, and the unknown. Matthijs reflects on the role of indeterminacy in composition, the architecture of sound, and the idea that music can create spaces for listeners to inhabit rather than narratives to consume. The conversation ranges widely across: Experimental music as process and experiment Drone music, atmosphere, and “dwelling” in sound The influence of thinkers like Jacques Derrida, Gilles Deleuze, and Gilbert Simondon Time, emergence, and metastability in musical composition Negative theology and the limits of language Field recordings, contact microphones, and environmental sound Why cassettes still matter The politics of music distribution and alternatives to Spotify Music as communion, meditation, and philosophical inquiry A central thread throughout the discussion is the idea that music can carry us beyond language—toward experiences that resist direct explanation yet remain deeply human and emotionally real. Matthijs also discusses several of his recent works, including: Transversal Meta-Stabilities Obscurum per Obscurius The collaborative project Irradiance with Gagi Petrovic Memorable Moments “Maybe the orchestra is not a set of instruments, but the entire world.” “It’s more like creating spaces for people to dwell in.” “Mayb…

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