# Space Madness Podcast Episode 53: Science, Space Exploration and Faith with Les Johnson Part 2

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Podcast: [The Space Madness Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-space-madness-podcast-7367476)
Published: 2026-05-11T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://spacemadness.podbean.com/e/space-madness-podcast-episode-53-science-space-exploration-and-faith-with-les-johnson-part-2/
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Duration seconds: 2207

## Resource

In our second interview recorded shortly after the Artemis II landing, Les Johnson, NASA's former Chief Technologist, shares insights into space hardware innovation, the role of technology push versus mission pull, and the future of human space exploration including Artemis II. We talk about the dynamics between NASA headquarters and center leadership, working with congress, and discuss how NASA navigates political, technological, and strategic challenges to push the boundaries of space science.

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