# Don't Be a Statistic. Make Transformation Work.

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Podcast: [The So What from BCG](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-so-what-from-bcg-4409188)
Published: 2025-08-27T02:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://the-so-what-from-bcg.captivate.fm/episode/dont-be-a-statistic-make-transformation-work
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## Resource

Transformation isn’t a gamble—it’s science. Kristy Ellmer, a leader with BCG Transform, unpacks the research behind what really makes change work: involving employees in the journey, preparing for the “messy middle,” and building emotional and practical support into the process. Successful efforts focus equally on shifting behaviors and mindsets, not just strategy and structure.   Learn More:  Kristy Ellmer: https://www.bcg.com/about/people/experts/kristy-ellmer   Preorder Kristy's Book: https://www.amazon.com/How-Change-Really-Works-Science-Based/dp/B0FHBXYSLZ BCG’s Latest Thinking on Business Transformation: https://www.bcg.com/capabilities/business-transformation/insights   To Keep Transformations on Track, Incentives Are Crucial: https://www.bcg.com/publications/2025/incentives-are-crucial-for-transformation-success   The Transformation Paradox: How to Grow When the Growing Gets Tough: https://www.bcg.com/publications/2025/transformation-paradox-how-grow-when-growing-gets-tough   This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

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