# EP 541 When CFOs Treat Healthcare As Any Other Cost - with Carl Schuessler, Jr.

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Podcast: [The ShiftShapers Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-shiftshapers-podcast-1089968)
Published: 2026-03-24T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2045524/episodes/18806371-ep-541-when-cfos-treat-healthcare-as-any-other-cost-with-carl-schuessler-jr.mp3
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Duration seconds: 1607

## Resource

We explore how employers can manage healthcare like any other cost by shifting from insurer-built, passive plans to employer-built, actively managed designs. Carl Schuessler, Jr. shares candid tactics on data, precision testing, and honest change management that help advisors become true risk partners. • defining a health plan mission that aligns to EBITDA and predictability • focusing on data hot spots such as MSK, imaging, pharmacy, and facilities • using billing audits and cost containmen...

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