# 149: Making A Meal Of It with Jenny Jiao Hsia and AP Thomson (Consume Me)

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Podcast: [The Secret Lives of Games](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-secret-lives-of-games-439116)
Published: 2025-11-07T14:00:00+00:00
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Rob, Sarah, and Doug chat with Jenny Jiao Hsia and AP Thomson about Consume Me, an award-winning autobiographical resource-management RPG about the pressure cooker of young adulthood. We discuss the game's ten-year development cycle, balancing dynamic difficulty in a game about overachievement, the complex dynamics of mining your own story, and more! Heads up: This episode includes discussion of disordered eating and religious upbringing. Audio edited by Dylan Shumway. Mentioned in this episode: Consume Me https://hexecutable.itch.io/consume-me https://store.steampowered.com/app/2359120/Consume_Me/ Prototyping Personal Experience – Jenny's talk at A MAZE 2017 https://youtu.be/iQ-PaGTr-iI?si=RIAWQMFZfMWCVCsN Papers Please by Lucas Pope https://papersplea.se/ Nina Freeman's games on itch.io https://starmaidgames.itch.io/ Triad by Anna Anthropy https://w.itch.io/triad Reigns by Nerial https://www.reignsgame.com/reigns Long Live the Queen by Hanako Games https://hanakogames.itch.io/long-live-the-queen Perfect Tides by Meredith Gran https://granulac.itch.io/perfect-tides Look Back (movie) https://www.amazon.com/Look-Back-Kiyotaka-Oshiyama/dp/B0DH5DMSRW Look Back (manga) https://www.viz.com/look-back Jenny's TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@q_dork AP's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/bad_tetris/ https://eggplant.show/ https://discord.gg/eggplant https://www.patreon.com/eggplantshow https://www.youtube.com/eggplantshow

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