# S9E38: We will raise The Hammer

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Podcast: [The Ron Flatter Racing Pod](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ron-flatter-racing-pod-1127686)
Published: 2026-06-12T03:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4996

## Resource

Rick Hammerle, a horseplayer and a longtime racing executive who sits on the American Graded Stakes Committee member, is the special guest this week on the Ron Flatter Racing Pod. Hammerle talks about topics that range from why there are so many graded stakes to the bigfooted presence of computer-assisted wagering to why racetracks should have newer music played for spectators. In a myth-busting tale he has spun more than a few times in public and private conversations, Hammerle looks back on the 2018 emergence of eventual Triple Crown winner Justify and how he was instrumental in writing the champion colt's first two races while he was Santa Anita's racing secretary. He also talks about his current role at Kentucky Downs. Co-hosts John Cherwa of the Los Angeles Times and Keith Nelson of Fairmount Park offer their popular host chat. The Ron Flatter Racing Pod via Horse Racing Nation is available via free subscription from Apple, Firefox, iHeart and Spotify as well as HorseRacingNation.com.

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