# We Need To Copy Oklahoma  | Joel Hollingsworth

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Podcast: [The Regenaissance Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-regenaissance-podcast-6720188)
Published: 2026-04-08T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/f6d2b928
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## Resource

Joel Hollingsworth runs Smoke River Ranch in northeast Oklahoma. This conversation from our Farmer Stories Series talks about why Joel believes we need to keep manufcaturing in America & why Oklahoma's culture of self-governance is a cultural model the country can build around. Farmer Stories pulls the best conversations from The Regenaissance archive - real voices from American farmers on the systems, economics, and communities shaping food and land in the US. Timestamps 0:00 — Why build in America, not abroad 1:30 — The federalist structure and America's creation story 4:00 — Oklahoma's culture of self-governance 6:30 — Regen ag as a churn factory 7:30 — Triffin dilemma and hollowing out of domestic production 9:00 — How crop insurance locks out new farmers 11:00 — Foreign cattle and the 30% currency gap 12:30 — Land as money, not farmland 14:00 — Farm credit weaponized (Dustin Kittle story) 15:30 — Average rancher age 58.5 17:00 — What rural collapse looks like 18:30 — Sovereign debt and centralizing risk Links: Full podcast episode: - YouTube - Spotify - Apple Connect with Joel: - Smoke River Ranch Website - X

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