# 'Energy is the lifeblood of the human race' | Former Liberal MP Martha Hall Findlay

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Podcast: [The Really Big Show with Jim Csek &Iain Burns](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-really-big-show-with-jim-csek-iain-burns-7118319)
Published: 2026-05-24T20:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Martha Hall Findlay is not your typical energy commentator. She is a former Liberal MP, former chief sustainability officer at Suncor, one of the architects of the Pathways carbon capture project, and now director of the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary. She ran for the Liberal leadership on a platform of building the Northern Gateway pipeline. She spent years championing carbon capture as Canada's path forward on emissions.This May she published a piece in the Globe and Mail recommending Canada pause the entire Pathways carbon capture project. She joins Jim Csek to explain why, and to make the case for what Canada should be doing instead.This is a wide-ranging, deeply informed conversation on energy from someone with rare credibility across the political spectrum.Topics covered:► Hall Findlay's argument for pausing the Pathways CCUS project: a global consensus no longer exists, the project would reduce global emissions by just 0.02%, and Canada has more urgent priorities for the billions of dollars it would cost► Why she was one of the original architects of Pathways and what changed her mind: the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Trump's election, the collapse of the Net Zero Banking Alliance, and a world that has simply moved on► Canada's 25-year failure to capitalize on its energy resources and why Hall Findlay says that crosses party lines, noting no major pipeline was built under Harper either► The chicken and egg problem blocking a west coast pipeline: producers will not increase output without a viable pipeline, and no pipeline will be built without committed production to fill it► David Eby's opposition to the pipeline, the constitutional reality of federal jurisdiction over interprovincial infrastructure under Section 92(10)(a), and why Hall Fi…

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