# Maddow: Advice on defiance in the age of Trump

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Podcast: [The Rachel Maddow Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-rachel-maddow-show-509873)
Published: 2026-06-29T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.ms.now/
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## Resource

Rachel Maddow talks with Julia Angwin and Ami Fields-Meyer, authors of "On Courage: How to be a dissident in an age of fear," about "the central question of how to live right as an American citizen right now," and the variety of ways people can throw sand in the gears of authoritarianism to preserve democracy.

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