# [Podcast] Interview 110: Five Principles to Exercise Your Mind as You Read Your Bible

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Published: 2026-04-18T06:03:51+00:00
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## Resource

Our podcast today is another special presentation, which is to say it is not connected to a FrontLine article. Our guest is a regular contributor, Gordon Dickson. In recent weeks, Gordon has written several articles on a concept he calls the “G.R.A.C.E. framework.” The acronym first represented to him a way of expressing the gospel to the lost, especially emphasizing a missing note that I think can cause us to stumble when solely relying on older gospel presentations we have learned. It is not that those presentations are wrong (far from it!!). Rather, what his framework does is supply a missing first step that sometimes starts us off on the wrong foot with someone we are speaking to when it is omitted. However, the G.R.A.C.E. framework is more than just presenting the gospel. It is a way of expressing a Biblical worldview. In a recent meeting, Gordon and some of our other brethren presented papers applying the framework to various hot current topics: Transgenderism, Entertainment, Suicidal Ideation, Immigration, Artificial Intelligence, and “PTSD” as it is called. Using the G.R.A.C.E. framework (G-R-A-C-E) to think through these issues creates a fresh way of looking at them that not only help our own thinking about them, but equip us with language to engage our world on these topics and turn those conversations into gospel occasions. Over the next few months, we hope to present podcast interviews with at least some of the authors of these papers and discuss the topics they wrote on. These interviews will come as we are able to fit them in, but I think you will find them very helpful when we do. To start off with, I am going to give you this interview with Gordon where we discuss his introductory paper on the topic. We will give you access to the whole paper here, it w…

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