# Episode 45: Ian McMillan - "Everywhere can be a place for art" Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episode-45-ian-mcmillan-everywhere-can-be-a-place-for-art Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episode-45-ian-mcmillan-everywhere-can-be-a-place-for-art.md Podcast: [The Poems We Made Along The Way](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462) Published: 2026-03-30T03:55:00+00:00 Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way/episodes/69c9b1ad88f1e891320c9b8e Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/66e5c7f558d4122cd96d65c9/e/69c9b1ad88f1e891320c9b8e/media.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episodes/episode-45-ian-mcmillan-everywhere-can-be-a-place-for-art Duration seconds: 3516 ## Resource On today’s episode of The Poems We Made Along the Way Gregory Kearns speaks to Ian McMillan about almost a quarter of a century of The Verb, surrealism, and twenty-four hour poetry hubs. Ian McMillan is a poet, journalist, broadcaster. His books include To Fold The Evening Star, Neither Nowt Nor Summat, My Sand Life My Pebble Life and Dad the Donkey’s on Fire. He has been hosting The Verb since 2002, BBC Radio 4’s Cabaret of the word. He has worked with The Circus of Poets, a performance poetry group and Versewagon, the World’s first mobile writing workshop.  Books and other things To Fold the Evening Start New And Selected Poems: https://www.carcanet.co.uk/9781784101886/to-fold-the-evening-star/ My Sand Life, My Pebble Life: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/my-sand-life-my-pebble-life-9781472982957/  You can also use our affiliate link for Bookshop to find most of the books by most of the guests from the show. They are organised into lists for each series. If you use this link, we get a fraction of the money you spend: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/series-six-the-poems-we-made-along-the-way         We’d also recommend enquiring with your local bookshops or libraries as well. The Verb on Radio 4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/b006tnsf?page=1  Things to read/watch/listen/etc in relationship to this interview: Ian MacMillan*, The er Barnsley Seascapes (Poetry): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzimhyGgLUE  Ian MacMillan*, the Bard of Yorkshire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3OyfhnwnSE  The Usual Make sure you don’t miss future episodes by subscribing and if you enjoyed this episode consider sharing it with a friend or anyone else you think might also like it. Theme tune: Joe Chesterman-March who can be… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episodes/episode-45-ian-mcmillan-everywhere-can-be-a-place-for-art/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episode-45-ian-mcmillan-everywhere-can-be-a-place-for-art.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.