# Episode 34: Sarah Howe - "We ourselves are callbacks" Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episode-34-sarah-howe-we-ourselves-are-callbacks Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episode-34-sarah-howe-we-ourselves-are-callbacks.md Podcast: [The Poems We Made Along The Way](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462) Published: 2025-11-17T05:46:00+00:00 Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way/episodes/691aa9e3e4a19aaf07914497 Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/66e5c7f558d4122cd96d65c9/e/691aa9e3e4a19aaf07914497/media.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episodes/episode-34-sarah-howe-we-ourselves-are-callbacks Duration seconds: 4069 ## Resource On today’s episode of The Poems We Made Along the Way Gregory Kearns speaks to Sarah Howe about flow states, the pedagogical difficulties of the writers’ workshop, and the changing landscapes of poetry criticism. Sarah Howe is a poet and editor. She has published two collections of poetry including her debut Loop of Jade which won the TS Eliot Prize in 2015 and then Foretokens published in 2025. Previously she taught poetry and creative writing at King’s College London and is now the Poetry Editor at Chatto and Windus. Thank you to the T.S. Eliot Prize for facilitating this episode as part of a series of interviews with poets shortlisted for the 2025 prize. www.tseliot.com/prize/prize-year/the-t-s-eliot-prize-2025/    Books and other things: Foretokens: www.penguin.co.uk/books/470921/foretokens-by-howe-sarah/9781784746131 Loop of Jade: www.penguin.co.uk/books/419789/loop-of-jade-by-sarah-howe/9780701188696 You can also use our affiliate link for Bookshop to find most of the books by most of the guests from the show. They are organised into lists for each series. If you use this link, we get a fraction of the money you spend: https://uk.bookshop.org/lists/series-five-the-poems-we-made-along-the-way        We’d also recommend enquiring with your local bookshops or libraries as well. Things I watched in the lead up to this interview Sarah Howe | Two Systems || Radcliffe Institute: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDHa4OEqaeo&t=1076s   An interview with Sarah Howe, winner of the T. S. Eliot Prize 2015: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ShuXnfBKk The Usual Please give the show a five star rating on whatever podcasting app you are listening to this on. Tell us what you thought of this episode by posting on Instagram. You can find us @ThePoemsW… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episodes/episode-34-sarah-howe-we-ourselves-are-callbacks/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-poems-we-made-along-the-way-7032462/episode-34-sarah-howe-we-ourselves-are-callbacks.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.