# #153 - Luke Gromen - The AI-Debt Collision Breaking the Financial System

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Podcast: [The Peter McCormack Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-peter-mccormack-show-525419)
Published: 2026-03-04T18:06:00+00:00
Episode link: https://whatbitcoindid.libsyn.com/153-luke-gromen-the-collision-of-ai-and-debt-navigating-a-new-economic-cycle
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Governments aren't going to pay this debt down in real terms. More likely, they pay it back in weaker money. Luke Gromen argues we're already deep into a sovereign debt cycle - and that AI could speed up the moment it really starts to crack. In this interview we discuss how the system works: leverage, entitlements, interest costs, bond markets - and what happens when deflation hits an economy that depends on inflation to stay upright. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 – Debt Reality 00:01:57 – Math vs Politics 00:06:26 – Already In It 00:08:51 – Japan Warning 00:14:38 – Acute Phase Risk 00:15:32 – What To Do 00:21:33 – End Of The Cycle 00:34:13 – AI Disruption 00:40:20 – 2007 Parallel 00:49:07 – UBI & Politics 00:58:02 – Sovereign Insolvency 01:08:26 – Meaning & Collapse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CONTACT PETE › Website – http://petermccormack.com › Feedback – https://www.petermccormack.com/contact › Email – me@petermccormack.com › Instagram – /mccormack555 › X/Twitter – https://x.com/petermccormack/ CONNECT WITH LUKE GROMEN › X/Twitter – https://x.com/LukeGromen › Website – http://fftt-llc.com/ SPONSORS › IREN - https://www.iren.com/ › Ledger - https://www.ledger.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE › Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/40ruY9K › Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3Wc94Vu › Fountain: https://bit.ly/FountainPM › YouTube: https://bit.ly/YouTube_PM › Rumble: https://bit.ly/RumblePM FILMED BY CURTIS TAYLOR › https://www.curttaylor.co.uk/ › https://x.com/curttayloruk/ EDITED BY CONOR MCCORMACK › https://x.com/ConorM04 - - - -…

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