# Duck or Die: Mastering Persistence and the Backdoor Sales Approach

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Podcast: [The Paycast Network](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-paycast-network-7557459)
Published: 2026-04-23T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-paycast-network/episodes/Duck-or-Die-Mastering-Persistence-and-the-Backdoor-Sales-Approach-e3i9vdi
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## Resource

In this high-energy episode of The Paycast Network, host Chase Gunnell sits down with guests Jason Isidore, Carlos Nieto, and Noah Balderas to deconstruct the grit and psychology of merchant services sales. The session starts with a ruthless round of "Sell Me This Duck," where Carlos secures a win with his dramatic "buy it or die" pitch. The team then pivots to hard-earned sales wisdom, debunking the myth that the customer is always right and emphasizing the importance of identifying the true decision-maker through active listening. The discussion further explores the "stickiness" of the Square ecosystem and reveals unconventional tactics for following up with leads without becoming a nuisance—including Carlos’s bold "backdoor" entry to bypass solicitation bans and Jason's signature "foot-in-the-door" cards.

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