# 202. Ben Pronk on leading through uncertainty and what it takes to be happy

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Podcast: [The Partnership Playbook: Lead with Clarity, Create Leverage & Reclaim Time](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-partnership-playbook-lead-with-clarity-create-leverage-reclaim-time-6586459)
Published: 2026-05-15T21:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://philhsc.com/podcast
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Duration seconds: 3515

## Resource

Get the CEO Leadership Collection: Five curated conversations in a private podcast, each under ten minutes, on the decisions and pressures that define the role. Visit listentophil.com ABOUT THIS EPISODE What if leadership growth isn’t about certainty but about learning to lead through ambiguity? In this deeply reflective conversation, Ben Pronk unpacks leadership, resilience, happiness, stoicism, and the hidden pressures facing modern executives. From special operations leadership lessons to redefining success beyond money and status, this episode explores what sustainable growth truly looks like—both professionally and personally. Inside this episode, you’ll learn: How resilient leaders make better decisions under uncertainty Why partnership and growth depend on emotional intelligence—not control The mindset shift that helps leaders adapt without losing confidence If you’re navigating growth, leadership pressure, or major life transitions, this conversation will fundamentally change how you think about success, resilience, and partnership. PRE-ORDER Ben Pronk's new book We're all going to die. Practical happiness for the time we have left. The Partnership Playbook is the podcast for leaders who want to grow with clarity, create leverage through partnerships, and lead their teams with meaning. Each episode gives you practical insights drawn from two decades of building and backing companies, coaching CEOs, and closing high-value partnerships across industries. You’ll learn how to scale yourself as a leader, choose partners that help you grow faster, and turn trust, alignment, and first wins into momentum that lasts. PS - Have a CEO guest recommendation for the show? Share this link with them .

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