# Balancing Growth, Costs, and Geopolitics in Airlines

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Podcast: [The Outthinking Investor with Daleep Singh](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-outthinking-investor-with-daleep-singh-4270349)
Published: 2025-06-10T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Airlines represent one of the most challenging and complex industries in today's economy. With thousands of flights moving people and cargo around the world every day, airlines manage a "complicated logistical dance," as Oscar Munoz, United Airlines' former Chairman and CEO, tells us in this episode of The Outthinking Investor. The airline industry has adapted and evolved through technological innovation, consolidation, regulatory changes, and an increasingly competitive transportation sector—providing universal lessons for businesses and investors. Amid a turbulent outlook, this episode explores how airlines are addressing a host of business challenges, from the threat of aircraft tariffs to volatile fuel costs and customer demand. Topics include business strategies that drive revenues and boost profits, the future of business and leisure travel, navigating antiquated air traffic control systems, the outlook for low-cost carriers, and reflections on United Airlines' turnaround. Our guests are: Oscar Munoz , former United Airlines Chairman and CEO Jack Fitzsimmons , credit analyst on PGIM Fixed Income's US Leveraged Finance Credit Research team Sean Goodier, credit analyst on PGIM Fixed Income's European Investment Grade Credit Research team Do you have any comments, suggestions, or topics you would like us to cover? Email us at thought.leadership@pgim.com , or fill out our survey at PGIM.com/podcast/outthinking-investor . To hear more from PGIM, tune into Speaking of Alternatives , available on Spotify , Apple , Amazon Music , and other podcast platforms. Explore our entire collection of podcasts at PGIM.com .

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