# "Lawful vs Legal" w/ Derek Loudermilk Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/lawful-vs-legal-w-derek-loudermilk Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/lawful-vs-legal-w-derek-loudermilk.md Podcast: [The Oto Gomes Crypto Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844) Published: 2024-05-31T08:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://otogomes.live/podcast-archive/lawful-vs-legal-w-derek-loudermilk Audio file: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d816c06e-8fea-4488-8358-0789e1a4d8fb/Derek-Loudermilk-Interview-AUDIO-converted.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/episodes/lawful-vs-legal-w-derek-loudermilk Duration seconds: 4080 ## Resource In this podcast episode, host Oto Gomes interviews Derek Loudermilk, a coach and thought leader, about his journey out of the matrix reality and into a world of freedom and sovereignty. They discuss topics such as astrology, the legal system, discharging debt, and the different jurisdictions of law. Derek shares his experiences with discharging credit cards and changing his vehicle plates to assert his private status. They also touch on the ancestral trauma associated with money and the vision of a future society based on love and abundance. In this conversation, Derek Loudermilk and Oto Gomes discuss the future of money and the role of cryptocurrency. They explore the concept of crypto as a form of real money that is created from the value within us, rather than a debt-based system. They touch on the functionality of Bitcoin as a perfected ledger and the potential use cases of other cryptocurrencies like NFTs and V chain. They also discuss the idea of creating personal trusts and the importance of trust in oneself. The conversation concludes with a discussion on daily practices for staying grounded and navigating the challenges of the system. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest's Background 02:02 The Influence of Astrology and Energetic Shifts 08:29 Identifying with the Physical Body and Embodying Sovereignty 14:38 Discharging Debt and Changing Nationality 25:47 The Source of Cash and Asserting Private Status 29:14 Law Enforcement and Different Jurisdictions 38:00 The Future of Money: Crypto and Real Money 41:46 Use Cases of Other Cryptocurrencies 45:28 Creating Personal Trusts for Sovereignty 53:31 Daily Practices for Staying Grounded CONNECT WITH DEREK: https://instagram.com/derekloudermilk https://derekloudermilk.com YouToube:  @DerekLoudermilk  GET DER… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/episodes/lawful-vs-legal-w-derek-loudermilk/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/lawful-vs-legal-w-derek-loudermilk.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.