# From Astral Projection to Building a New Internet From Scratch W/Mike Winner Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/from-astral-projection-to-building-a-new-internet-from-scratch-w-mike-winner Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/from-astral-projection-to-building-a-new-internet-from-scratch-w-mike-winner.md Podcast: [The Oto Gomes Crypto Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844) Published: 2026-07-17T18:30:00+00:00 Episode link: https://otogomes.live/podcast-archive/from-astral-projection-to-building-a-new-internet-from-scratch-w-mike-winner Audio file: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/4d754559-7864-4f12-a6b8-ebfae869ff40.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/episodes/from-astral-projection-to-building-a-new-internet-from-scratch-w-mike-winner Duration seconds: 5015 ## Resource Episode Summary Oto sits down with longtime friend DJ Mike Winner — co-founder of the decentralized network Qortal — for a deep dive into consciousness, sovereignty, and building outside the centralized internet. Mike traces his path from an early astral projection experience at 12, through a "germ theory" awakening from Dr. Bear Lando, to co-founding Qortal as a fully open-source, node-to-node alternative to the World Wide Web. He and Oto unpack the philosophy behind "sovereignty taxes," the difference between legal and possession-based ownership, and why cognitive sovereignty matters as AI use grows. Mike then walks through how Qortal actually works — minting, QDN, the CORT coin, the app ecosystem (QTube, Qmail, QShare, and more) — before showing how he used AI agents (including his own trained assistant, Merlin) to build Terrain TV, a free, AI-curated health-freedom video platform with 46,000+ videos. Chapters / Timestamps (Shifted +59s to account for the new intro at the top of the episode) 00:00 – Trailer 00:59 – Intro & Catching Up with DJ Mike Winner 02:59 – The Red Pill Moment: Astral Projection & "The Creature from Jekyll Island" 05:59 – Germ Theory, Chronic Illness & the Allopathic Debt System 07:59 – From Hollywood to Alpha Vedic: Finding His Path 09:59 – The Art of Inquiry: Trusting Truth Within & Daily Meditation 11:59 – Dependency, the Sovereignty Tax & the Entrepreneur's Dilemma 13:59 – AI as an Ancient Technology & the Convergence Point 14:59 – Techno Bros, Ownership vs. the Rental Economy 17:59 – The Myth of Prometheus & Natural Law 19:59 – Crossing the Bridge: Technology as "Techne" 23:59 – Why Big Tech Isn't Censoring Like It Used To 25:59 – The Sovereign Stack: Decoupling Step by Step 28:59 – The Danger of "Purity Spirali… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/episodes/from-astral-projection-to-building-a-new-internet-from-scratch-w-mike-winner/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oto-gomes-crypto-show-4773844/from-astral-projection-to-building-a-new-internet-from-scratch-w-mike-winner.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.