# No Exit, No Problem: Pema Chödrön’s Inner Frontier

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Podcast: [The Observing I Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-observing-i-podcast-6981412)
Published: 2026-06-09T14:48:25+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/david-johnson/episodes/No-Exit--No-Problem-Pema-Chdrns-Inner-Frontier-e3ki62i
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## Resource

In this episode of The Observing I , we enter the work of Pema Chödrön, exploring shenpa, groundlessness, tonglen, and the uncomfortable spiritual practice of staying present when everything in us wants to escape. Rather than treating awakening as a way to rise above pain, Pema points us back into the exact moment we get hooked: the tight chest, the old story, the message we want to send, and the small space where something other than habit can begin. Much love, David x

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