# Jan. 6 Then & Now: The Insurrection Blueprint (with Tom Joscelyn)

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Podcast: [The Oath and The Office](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oath-and-the-office-7209235)
Published: 2026-01-29T10:30:11+00:00
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## Resource

Jan. 6 wasn’t just a riot—it was a blueprint. This week, we connect Jan. 6 then to now and ask the core question of self-government: what happens when federal power starts acting as if the rules don’t apply? Hosts Corey Brettschneider and John Fugelsang are joined by Tom Joscelyn—senior House Judiciary staff and a principal author of the House January 6 Committee’s final report—for a deep dive into the pressure campaign on Mike Pence, the false-electors plot, and why white supremacy and Christian nationalism were central to the attempt to overturn the election. Most importantly: how that same playbook is reappearing right now—and what it means for the rule of law. Before Tom joins, Corey and John break down the week’s accountability flashpoints: The killing of a Minnesota nurse—and the competing public narratives and misinformation surrounding it The growing wave of court pushback and legal scrutiny aimed at ICE tactics in Minnesota Where the politics stand on defunding ICE—and what real oversight would require DOJ’s move to file criminal complaints tied to the St. Paul church protest, plus the magistrate judge’s refusal to approve a warrant prosecutors sought (including an attempt involving Don Lemon) A reported memo directing ICE agents to proceed with operations—including entry onto private property—regardless of warrants or legal standing, and what that means for constitutional rights

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