# DOJ vs. Trump: The Indictment That Never Came (with Glenn Kirschner)

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Podcast: [The Oath and The Office](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-oath-and-the-office-7209235)
Published: 2026-01-22T10:30:08+00:00
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## Resource

The indictment that never came is still shaping DOJ’s ongoing battle with Trump. In the first half, Corey Brettschneider and John Fugelsang break down this week’s accountability flashpoints: The push to impeach DHS Secretary Kristi Noem — what impeaching a cabinet official actually means and why it matters now The Supreme Court fight tied to the FTC with huge stakes for independent agencies and the question of whether a president can threaten the Federal Reserve The looming tariff decision — and how tariffs are being used as political leverage, including in Trump’s pressure campaign involving Greenland Then Corey and John are joined by Glenn Kirschner (former federal prosecutor) for a blunt, inside-the-system conversation about: What went wrong with Robert Mueller The decision not to indict Trump — and the precedent it set How DOJ “corruption” happens in real life: pressure, incentives, normalization The hardest moral call for public servants: stay and fight, or resign and warn the country If the law won’t check power, what will?

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