# What Would Johnny Carson Say About Trump? Late Night Then and Now

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Podcast: [The Nicole Sandler Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-nicole-sandler-show-1065430)
Published: 2026-04-23T21:33:24+00:00
Episode link: https://nicolesandler.com/4-23-26
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Today I needed a laugh — and honestly, so did you. We kick things off with the best Trump impression on the internet, JL Cauvin. Today's guest is Mark Malkoff, author of Love, Johnny Carson: One Obsessive Fan's Journey to Find the Genius Behind the Legend, about the man who invented late night as we know it. We get into what Carson really thought about Trump back in the '80s and '90s, whether he would have survived today's TV landscape, the Don Rickles cigarette box story you've never heard, and what's happening to late night now that Colbert's show is ending. Plus: my husband calls in to correct my geography. As he does... Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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