# Trump Makes No Sense, but Lisa Graves Tries to Explain Anyway

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Podcast: [The Nicole Sandler Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-nicole-sandler-show-1065430)
Published: 2026-06-05T00:24:33+00:00
Episode link: https://nicolesandler.com/6-4-26
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I just made it home from seeing Joe Jackson in concert in Tucson last night in time for today's show, and walked straight into a news cycle that would make your brain melt. Trump held up what looked like a third grade school project in the Oval Office this morning comparing the reflecting pool to three skyscrapers. Why? Maybe to prove that size matters? I don't know. Obviously neither does he! Meanwhile, the official legal expert of the Nicole Sandler Show joined me from Netroots Nation (just getting underway in Philly) to explain how the Roberts Court is systematically bleaching out Black voters in the South — and what we can actually DO about it. Also: Marco Rubio was "co-located" at a UFC fight during a nuclear crisis. That's his word. Co-located. And there's a lot more on today's show, including a mystery from the concert and the beautiful Fox Theater in Tucson too. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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