# The Deflecting Pool, Democrats & Dylan:  Driftglass and Nicole Discuss it All

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Podcast: [The Nicole Sandler Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-nicole-sandler-show-1065430)
Published: 2026-06-24T20:58:02+00:00
Episode link: https://nicolesandler.com/6-24-26
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## Resource

It's Wednesday, which means Driftglass is here — and today's conversation went deep and wide. We started with Trump's "deflecting pool" — his preferred name for what used to be the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool before a no-bid contract turned it into an algae-choked disaster, and the administration started blaming "antifa" with a knife. Senator John Hickenlooper of Colorado is calling on Trump to personally pay for the damage, which is exactly the right call. From there, Driftglass and I traced the accountability vacuum that got us here — Obama's "look forward, not back" decision after Bush, Gerald Ford's pardon of Nixon, and the lesson that gets learned every single time: if you don't hold them accountable, they just come back worse. George W. Bush walked so Trump could run. My husband David jumped in with a sharp, pointed history of antisemitism — how it was essentially a marketing tool in the early days of Christianity and has never gone out of style — and we talked about how that history connects to what's happening right now as the Democratic Party fractures over the Israel-Palestine issue in the primaries. I said some things about the primaries that will make some of you mad at me. I stand by them. And I wrapped up by finally telling you - and Driftglass - about seeing Bob Dylan in Phoenix last night. Musically brilliant. Dylan in a hoodie behind a keyboard, totally anonymous. Songs you've probably not heard before and, if you had, you likely wouldn't have recognized. Lucinda Williams, post-stroke and as angry at this administration as I am. It was exactly the kind of evening that reminds you why music matters. And we were running late, sadly, thanks to the shitty GPS who sent us in circles downtown, so we missed all but one song from John Doe. He sounded good…

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