# The NEXT Podcast Episode 39 The Holy Work of Not Giving Up

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Podcast: [The Next Podcast: Moving Forward with Grief and Loss](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-next-podcast-moving-forward-with-grief-and-loss-7049767)
Published: 2025-09-03T17:19:38+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/jay-cookingham/episodes/The-NEXT-Podcast-Episode-39-The-Holy-Work-of-Not-Giving-Up-e37n0rl
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## Resource

In this episode of The NEXT Podcast, Jay wraps up the Four R’s of grief with the last rhythm: Rigorous – The Holy Work of Not Giving Up. Grief is relentless and often harsh but being rigorous doesn’t mean being harsh with yourself—it means being honest, consistent, and faithful in the hardest seasons. Jay shares how “holy persistence” has carried him through loss, what rigorous faith looks like in practice, and why worship is hope in action. This is the hard and holy work of staying connected to God, to life, and to love—even when nothing feels stable.

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