# When Founders Should Quit Their Startups with Matt MacInnis | COO Rippling

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Podcast: [The Neon Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-neon-show-862453)
Published: 2026-02-07T14:30:00+00:00
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Matt MacInnis spent 6 years as COO at Rippling and now leads as CPO. He joined Rippling in 2019, when there were only 70 people, and has led the company across multiple stages. Before that, Matt was a founder for 9 years, building Inkling after 7 years at Apple. These three chapters of his career shape this conversation. We focus on how to build and operate teams as a company scales. Matt explains how he thinks about speed versus real progress, and which parts of building a company should mov...

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