# Dark Psychology & Obsession: Jessica Shannon Interview, The Cleaner Author on Toxic Relationships, Identity & Storytelling | Viral Podcast Episode with True Crime Vibes, Controversial Storytelling Bingeable Conversation w/ Alex, The Naughty Librarian Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-naughty-librarian-tnl-the-world-s-best-storytellers-and-the-stories-they-tell-in-conversation-7286743/dark-psychology-obsession-jessica-shannon-interview-the-cleaner-author-on-toxic-relationships-identity-storytelling-viral-podcast-episode-with-true-crime-vibes-controversial-storytelling-bingeable-conversation-w-alex-the Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-naughty-librarian-tnl-the-world-s-best-storytellers-and-the-stories-they-tell-in-conversation-7286743/dark-psychology-obsession-jessica-shannon-interview-the-cleaner-author-on-toxic-relationships-identity-storytelling-viral-podcast-episode-with-true-crime-vibes-controversial-storytelling-bingeable-conversation-w-alex-the.md Podcast: [THE NAUGHTY LIBRARIAN "TNL" The world’s best storytellers and the stories they tell in conversation.](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-naughty-librarian-tnl-the-world-s-best-storytellers-and-the-stories-they-tell-in-conversation-7286743) Published: 2026-04-22T07:31:00+00:00 Episode link: https://rss.com/podcasts/the-naughty-librarian-tnl/2735400 Audio file: https://content.rss.com/episodes/324549/2735400/the-naughty-librarian-tnl/2026_04_14_15_06_53_fce49a4b-d7db-4d8c-bf9f-5ac03ed3b771.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-naughty-librarian-tnl-the-world-s-best-storytellers-and-the-stories-they-tell-in-conversation-7286743/episodes/dark-psychology-obsession-jessica-shannon-interview-the-cleaner-author-on-toxic-relationships-identity-storytelling-viral-podcast-episode-with-true-crime-vibes-controversial-storytelling-bingeable-conversation-w-alex-the Duration seconds: 1801 ## Resource In this raw, unfiltered, and wildly entertaining episode, we sit down with author Jessica Shannon, creator of The Cleaner —a bold, chaotic, & darkly funny novel redefining modern fiction. Like the storytelling style of Crime Junkie podcast, the vulnerability of Call Her Daddy podcast, the humor of Good Hang podcast, and the deep-dive conversations of mansplainer Joe Rogan Experience? This episode is for you. Learn what inspired The Cleaner , a fast-paced, obsessive, & psychologically intense novel that explores identity, desire, messy relationships, & the darker corners of the human mind. The book is “wild,” “chaotic,” and impossible to put down, blending humor, obsession, & emotional unraveling into one unforgettable ride. We dive into: Psychology behind obsession, control, & self-destruction Writing morally gray, messy, & unlikeable characters Rise of “weird girl fiction” &modern literary trends Dark humor, toxic relationships, & identity shifts Creative process, storytelling, & breaking traditional writing rules Blurred line between fiction & reality Viral-level energy—storytelling, humor, vulnerability, thought-provoking insights. Companion book Side Hustle Podcast at: Barnes: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/side-hustle-podcast-alex-loudon/1149646821?ean=9798218871727 WEBSITE: https://thenaughtylibrarian.ca/ LINKS: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-naughty-librarian-tnl/id1811461497 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/3UYoIJokIMauiO2ttZozGA?si=ca18572d1a5747a1 And everywhere you get your podcasts. Social Media: IG: https://www.instagram.com/wearetnlofficial/ TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@wearetnlofficial Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/wearetnlofficial.bsky.social X: https://x.com/TNLofficial YouTube: h… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-naughty-librarian-tnl-the-world-s-best-storytellers-and-the-stories-they-tell-in-conversation-7286743/episodes/dark-psychology-obsession-jessica-shannon-interview-the-cleaner-author-on-toxic-relationships-identity-storytelling-viral-podcast-episode-with-true-crime-vibes-controversial-storytelling-bingeable-conversation-w-alex-the/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-naughty-librarian-tnl-the-world-s-best-storytellers-and-the-stories-they-tell-in-conversation-7286743/dark-psychology-obsession-jessica-shannon-interview-the-cleaner-author-on-toxic-relationships-identity-storytelling-viral-podcast-episode-with-true-crime-vibes-controversial-storytelling-bingeable-conversation-w-alex-the.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.