# What I learned from Taylor Swift - The Rosenthal Effect and Your Success

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Podcast: [The MFA Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-mfa-podcast-1241271)
Published: 2025-11-09T17:20:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, I share a personal story about being in the room with Taylor Swift and her inner-circle at a party—witnessing what it's like when people don't just admire someone, they believe she is the world. I talk about how Taylor's presence shifted the energy around her and drew admiration, attention and amplification in a way that transformed the environment. From that vantage point, I dive into the science of how our expectations of someone—or how someone's peers expect of them—change outcomes. Specifically, we explore the Rosenthal Effect (also known as the Pygmalion Effect): when high expectations generate better performance. I unravel how proximity to greatness can recalibrate our own self-expectation, how being surrounded by people who believe in you multiplies your capacity, and how you can intentionally cultivate this dynamic for your success. Whether you're an emerging artist, creative professional, or anyone who's ready to stop playing small and start being seen—this conversation is for you. We'll unpack lessons you can apply today: how to enter rooms where you're seen as the world, how to shift the expectations around you, and how to lean into the science behind "when they think you belong, you can belong." Tune in for real-life insight, mindset shift, and science-backed inspiration to step into the version of you who already has the success you're after. Join Marina for upcoming events at Warnes Contemporary: https://www.warnescontemporary.com/events

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