# #45 - Alex Zhu & Romeo Stevens | Debating the Perennial Philosophy

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Podcast: [The Metagame](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-metagame-5326696)
Published: 2026-02-09T16:01:13+00:00
Episode link: https://themetagame.substack.com/p/45-alex-zhu-and-romeo-stevens-debating
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## Resource

Alex Zhu is a math olympian and researcher exploring the convergence of analytical rationality and religion. He’s also the co-founder of AlphaSheets . He’s currently working on a rigorous framework for bridging AI alignment and mysticism. Romeo Stevens is one of co-founders of the Qualia Research Institute and the founder of Mealsquares . He writes extensively about buddhism, pedagogy, skill development and psychotherapeutic modalities. You can find his work on his blog , Lesswrong and Twitter . In this episode, Alex and Romeo explore their disagreement around perennialism . The idea that all the world’s major religions are pointing to the same thing. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit themetagame.substack.com

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