# How to Scale Change with Housing

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Podcast: [The Messy City Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-messy-city-podcast-6070040)
Published: 2026-06-23T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/p/how-to-scale-change-with-housing
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## Resource

Eric Kronberg is back again, to dive deeper into the topics of housing choice, scale and essentially - what works and what doesn’t. Eric’s firm, Kronberg Urbanists & Architects , produces some of the routinely best graphic content to explain these complex issues. In this episode, in particular we discuss his updated Housing Choice Catalog , which is a tour de force of a document for anyone remotely interested in these issues. We discuss how to implement change, what some of the more important changes, are, and how to do this in real American towns and places. We also hit on one of my favorite topics, which is a discussion of what scales more quickly: small-scale infill or large multifamily/mixed-use projects. If you stick with us, you’ll also learn about the model to have a successful neighborhood center built around Homer Simpson’s favorite things. Find more content on The Messy City on Kevin’s Substack page . Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here . If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5. Intro: “ Why Be Friends ” Outro: “ Fairweather Friend ” Get full access to The Messy City at kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/subscribe

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