# Crisis Calculus on Ukraine & Taiwan

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Podcast: [The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-long-game-with-jake-sullivan-and-jon-finer-7566719)
Published: 2025-12-05T08:45:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer cover: - Deadlock between Russia and Ukraine as war continues - Rising Japan–China tensions over Taiwan and what Trump’s response signals for U.S. strategy in the region. - Red Team/Blue Team debate on whether the U.S. should maintain, abandon or thicken “strategic ambiguity” toward Taiwan. Follow The Long Game so you never miss an episode. New episodes drop on Fridays. Show notes and a transcript of the episode are available here. Watch the video of this episode on Youtube. Have a question for Jake or Jon? Email us at longgame@voxmedia.com or leave us a comment on Substack. The Long Game is produced by the Vox Media Podcast Network. Episode images source: Getty Images Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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