# 395. Trojan Horsing

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Podcast: [The Long and The Short Of It](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-long-and-the-short-of-it-1149937)
Published: 2026-04-21T08:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1035

## Resource

This week, Pete brings a Trojan Horse to Jen, and sneaks in ideas around leadership, empathy, curiosity, and humility along the way.

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