# Lawfare Daily: ‘The Criminal State’ with Lawrence Douglas

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Published: 2026-04-22T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

On today’s episode,  Lawfare  Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Lawrence Douglas, the James J. Grosfeld Professor of Law, Jurisprudence, and Social Thought at Amherst College to discuss  Douglas’s new book, “The Criminal State: War, Atrocity, and the Dream of International Justice.” They talk about how and why international criminal justice shifted from a focus at Nuremberg on the crime of aggression to an “atrocity paradigm,” as well as the “belatedness problem” and other limitations of atrocity trials. They even get into Douglas’s thoughts on casting decisions for Robert Jackson, Herman Göring, and characters in last year’s film “Nuremberg.”  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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