# Lawfare Daily: How Our Growing Software Dependence Threatens National Security

Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/lawfare-daily-how-our-growing-software-dependence-threatens-national-security
Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/lawfare-daily-how-our-growing-software-dependence-threatens-national-security.md
Podcast: [The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon Edition](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765)
Published: 2026-07-30T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition/episodes/lawfare-daily-closing-the-software-understanding-gap
Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/60baafd7d3cdd0001b29d9ee/e/6a6a6badfdc89d3427ff8621/media.mp3
Processing state: not_requested
JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/episodes/lawfare-daily-how-our-growing-software-dependence-threatens-national-security
Duration seconds: 1989

## Resource

Lawfare Book Review Editor Jonathan Cedarbaum sits down with the Soufan Center’s Executive Director Colin Clarke and Senior Research Fellow Chad Serena, to discuss the Center’s recent report, “ Closing the Gap: Software Understanding and U.S. National Security .” They explore what the authors call the “software understanding gap”—the growing disconnect between the rapid pace of software development and our ability to fully understand, assess, and secure increasingly complex systems. They discuss how adversarial state actors and criminal groups can exploit this gap, the ways in which it poses a national security challenge, and what government agencies, private industry, and software developers can do to better mitigate risks and strengthen U.S. cybersecurity. Additional reading: Douglas Ghormley, Tod Amon, Christopher Harrison, and Tim Loffredo, “ The National Need for Software Understanding: The Present Crisis, Technical Capability Gaps, and Path Forward ,” Sandia National Laboratories (March 2025) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

## Actions

- request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/episodes/lawfare-daily-how-our-growing-software-dependence-threatens-national-security/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode.
- read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/lawfare-daily-how-our-growing-software-dependence-threatens-national-security.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource.

A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed.

## Transcript

Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.