# Lawfare Daily: Chatting on Chatrie with Adam Unikowsky, Michael Dreeben, and Richard Salgado Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado.md Podcast: [The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon Edition](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765) Published: 2026-05-05T09:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition/episodes/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michae Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/60baafd7d3cdd0001b29d9ee/e/69f9129c3371a53209d38e2f/media.mp3 Processing state: processed JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/episodes/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado Duration seconds: 3684 ## Resource Lawfare  Senior Editor Kate Klonick speaks with former Deputy Solicitor General  Michael Dreeben ; lecturer in law at Stanford,  Richard Salgado ; and attorney  Adam Unikowsky , to discuss the geofencing Fourth Amendment case that was  heard Monday, April 27  in the Supreme Court,  Chatrie v. United States. They discuss the background of the case with their unique perspectives, starting with Unikowsky's framing of the case for his client, Chatrie, and his thoughts on the arguments he made in his defense when he argued the case before the Court on Monday. Salgado, who worked for Google for years answering such warrants and co-authored the technologist amicus brief, discusses how the Court seemed to be handling the sophistication of the technology issues. Dreeben, who argued  Carpenter , the Fourth Amendment technology case seen as the precursor to  Chatrie,  frames up the stakes of the Fourth Amendment issues. They debate the values of various technology metaphors, the long term future of the third party doctrine, and what the Justices seem most concerned with coming out of the arguments on Monday.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/episodes/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast-patreon-edition-6936765/lawfare-daily-chatting-on-chatrie-with-adam-unikowsky-michael-dreeben-and-richard-salgado.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.