# Beyond the Rubble: Is China the Real Winner of the U.S.-Iran War?

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Podcast: [The Last Line of Defense](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-last-line-of-defense-7561846)
Published: 2026-04-15T13:09:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.csis.org/podcasts/last-line-defense
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## Resource

Host Seth Jones sat down with Dr. Bonny Lin, CSIS Senior Adviser and Director of the China Power Project, to explore Beijing’s view of the U.S.-Iran war, including its own role, the China-Pakistan peace plan, and potential takeaways.

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