# Episode 2: The Space Between Comfort and Growth

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Podcast: [The Knowing Moments](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-knowing-moments-7732605)
Published: 2026-04-02T07:02:00+00:00
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## Resource

After slowing down, a new question appears: What do I want to grow into next? In this episode, Joy Chik reflects on the space between mastery and expansion. After nearly three decades operating at global scale in the tech industry, she begins experimenting with something completely new — launching a podcast from scratch during her sabbatical. What follows is a humbling shift from enterprise leader to beginner again. Through this experience, Joy explores a question many professionals eventually face: when you’ve become very good at something, is continuing to optimize it the same thing as growing? For email updates signup here . For video episodes, visit our podcast on YouTube or Spotify . Follow us on LinkedIn , Instagram , and Facebook . Send your feedback and suggestions for future episodes to feedback@theknowingmoments.com Logo and other art courtesy of Andy Reddout

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