# Scaling Evaluation: From Pockets of Excellence to Enterprise Capability

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Podcast: [The Kirkpatrick Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-kirkpatrick-podcast-6715780)
Published: 2026-06-08T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode of The Kirkpatrick Podcast, Vanessa sits down with Ted Kniker — co-founder of IMPACT Paradigm Associates, former Chief of Evaluation at the U.S. Department of State, and contributing author to Raising America: Building a More Perfect Union — to tackle one of the most pressing questions in evaluation today: how do you actually scale it across an entire organization? Ted brings hard-won perspective from 24 years in federal government and consulting across hundreds of organizations. The conversation gets real fast, covering why scaling evaluation is not the same as multiplying activity, why strong evaluation on one team almost never transfers to the enterprise, and what it actually takes to move from isolated pockets of excellence to true organizational capability. Key takeaways: • Scaling evaluation means creating alignment on shared outcomes — not adding more dashboards and reports. • Program evaluation can succeed on talent; enterprise evaluation has to succeed through systems. • The biggest red flag: when your organization is "information rich but decision poor." • Leaders signal whether evaluation is a compliance exercise, a political weapon, or a genuine learning function — and that signal determines whether it scales. • Standardize at the outcome/results level, not the measurement level; that's where the Kirkpatrick Model shines at enterprise scale. Connect with Ted on LinkedIn. To learn how the Kirkpatrick Model can help your organization build a true culture of evaluation, visit kirkpatrickpartners.com. Enterprise Performance Intelligence (EPI) Maturity Assessment Think your organization is measuring impact? Most aren't. The EPI Maturity Assessment helps you quickly identify where you stand—and what's needed to better connect learning to performan…

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