# Vince Goodwill Called the Larry O'Brien a "Participation Trophy"... WHAT?

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Podcast: [The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ken-carman-show-with-anthony-lima-1099928)
Published: 2026-06-17T10:19:26+00:00
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Ken Carman and Anthony Lima rip into ESPN's Vincent Goodwill for calling the NBA championship a "participation trophy" given how many different teams have won it lately, with Carman calling the comment asinine and pushing back hard on the idea that parity cheapens a title. The two dig into why the NBA gets treated so differently than football and baseball when it comes to judging stars who haven't won it all, name-checking Joel Embiid, James Harden, and Victor Wembanyama along the way. They also touch on the Cavs' surprising place in the championship conversation despite the recent fan pessimism. Then the conversation pivots hard into the Guardians' rough start to a crucial stretch, with the offense suddenly without two of its top power sources.

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