# It's Time to Retire the "Cavs Are Soft" Narrative Once and For All

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Podcast: [The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ken-carman-show-with-anthony-lima-1099928)
Published: 2026-05-13T13:42:11+00:00
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Duration seconds: 967

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Ken and Lima react to Brian Geltzeiler toughness comments and Lima pushes back hard, arguing that "soft" and "not tough enough" has become a lazy catch-all that Cavs fans and media reach for after every loss regardless of what actually happened on the court. Ken points out the irony that Detroit's own fans were crediting Cleveland's physicality after Game 4, yet somehow Cavs fans are still out here questioning their toughness, and notes that Evan Mobley has clearly been tougher and more impactful in this series than Jalen Duren, who has practically disappeared. The segment also touches on a broader NFL conversation about the Browns getting an off-season win by avoiding all international games while the Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals all have to travel overseas, which Ken argues could be worth an extra win on the season total. Ken closes by reiterating his prediction one more time: if the Cavs match the physicality they showed in Games 3 and 4, they win tonight and the series is over.

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