# How can the DEVIL be SO CLOSE to the POPE?

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Podcast: [The John-Henry Westen Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-john-henry-westen-show-1180464)
Published: 2026-01-30T01:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Fr. Charles Murr’s journey to the priesthood was not a clean, pious narrative; it was a collision with the scandal and confusion simmering inside the Church. After early encounters with clerical corruption nearly shattered his faith, he turned to law and philosophy, searching for a foundation that wouldn’t crumble. What he found in Rome, however, was a Church divided: between timeless truth and ideological drift, between real fraternity and institutional decay. A question that changed Fr. Murr’s life forever: “Where do you think the devil is going to be?” The answer reframes the entire crisis: evil clusters where grace should flow strongest, not because the Church is false, but because she is true. Corruption near the pope doesn’t disprove the papacy; it confirms its spiritual significance. HELP SUPPORT WORK LIKE THIS: https://give.lifesitenews.com/?utm_source=SOCIAL U.S. residents! Create a will with LifeSiteNews: https://www.mylegacywill.com/lifesitenews   **** PROTECT Your Wealth with gold, silver, and precious metals: https://sjp.stjosephpartners.com/lifesitenews +++ SHOP ALL YOUR FUN AND FAVORITE LIFESITE MERCH! https://shop.lifesitenews.com/     **** Download the all-new LSNTV App now, available on iPhone and Android! LSNTV Apple Store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lsntv/id6469105564   LSNTV Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lifesitenews.app   +++ Connect with John-Henry Westen and all of LifeSiteNews on social media: LifeSite: https://linktr.ee/lifesitenews John-Henry Westen: https://linktr.ee/jhwesten Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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