# Special Interviews: Isaac Butler and Nicole Robinson

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Podcast: [The John Fugelsang Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-john-fugelsang-podcast-1172468)
Published: 2026-06-27T18:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

This time, we journey back to the late 1980s and early 1990s, a transformative period in American culture marked by intense debates over art and expression. John interviews author Isaac Butler about his new book, "The Perfect Moment," which explains how the culture wars of that era shaped today’s political landscape. Isaac discusses how artists like Robert Mapplethorpe and Andres Serrano became symbols in the fight for freedom of expression, and how the tactics used by conservatives during these battles are still relevant in the current discourse around LGBTQ rights and artistic expression. Then, John interviews Nicole Robinson, a Congressional Investigations associate at Covington and Burling in D.C. She discusses the challenges the Democratic Party faces in engaging younger voters, particularly African American men. Nicole shares insights on the importance of authentic relationships, effective social media strategies, and the need for a long-term engagement plan to connect with these demographics ahead of the midterms. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

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