# Intel Without Treason - War Without Reason

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Podcast: [The John Fugelsang Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-john-fugelsang-podcast-1172468)
Published: 2026-06-18T18:00:00+00:00
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Today - John discusses Trump's wishy washy flip flopping on selecting Jay Clayton as his nominee to serve as the Director of National Intelligence. But then, the confirmation hearing was abruptly canceled after Trump ordered him not to appear before the Senate unless they pass the voter purge bill AKA the SAVE Act. He also talks about the details of the Memorandum of Understanding between Iran and the United States - which were released late in the day, confirming to many that this Great Deal is indeed worse than the JCPOA. Then, Bob Cesca returns and they chat about the redistricting efforts in Georgia and the challenges faced by progressive movements in today's climate. Next, John welcomes back author Brad Meltzer , and they talk about his latest kids book called "Ordinary People Change The World Series: I Am Teddy Roosevelt". Then winding it up, Desimber Rose and Dillon Naber Cruz AKA The God Squad joins the show to speak with listeners and explore the intersection of politics and religion. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

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