# Kash Patel vs Van Hollen ERUPTS, Obama Surprise Visit + Ben Carson Speaks Out - May 12 Hr 2

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Podcast: [The Joe Pags Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-joe-pags-show-4835546)
Published: 2026-05-13T02:02:00+00:00
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## Resource

Kash Patel and Senator Chris Van Hollen go head-to-head in a fiery exchange Joe Pags says you absolutely need to hear. Pags breaks down why he believes the left is trying to paint Kash in a certain light and what’s really behind the attacks. Then, Obama makes a surprise appearance in Austin with James Talarico and Gina Hinojosa on Taco Tuesday, and Pags says the timing — just weeks before the election — is no coincidence. Plus, Dr. Ben Carson joins for a powerful conversation on the political climate, infighting on both sides, and why he says the Founding Fathers would be horrified by what’s happening in America today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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